Trump got on the phone with the Georgia Secretary of State and said, “Look, we need to find 11,781 votes…” or something very close to that very statement. He then proceeded to pressure the Georgian officials for about 45 minutes, throwing out every conspiracy theory on right-wing sites. At times, it sounded as though he was issuing vague threats.

Today, former Alabama U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance spoke to Alex Witt on MSNBC to talk about possible charges against Trump coming out of Alabama. (Video below)

“If you just look at his [Trump’s] conduct on his face, calling state, officials, asking them to find additional votes that he needs, you know, that’s the sort of conduct that clearly rings the bell for criminal interference with an election.

It’s complicated, because there are difficulties involving the First Amendment, involving official power, and frankly, it is a big burden to put on a district attorney in one county in Georgia to ask her to shoulder that burden when others haven’t.

Yes, true, the Georgia prosecutors have very little help, especially from officials in offices just up the street from the current White House in the Department of Justice who, so far, have acted like Trump was a normal president who did things normally and handed the presidency off with peaceful grace just like other presidents. At least, that’s how it appears over ten months from the time of the phone call.

But Alex, I still have taped to the wall in my office the exact number of votes he asked for 11,780. It’s been in front of me all these months, because if you simply think about what he did, asked them to find him one more vote than he needed to win Georgia, a crucial state, there is no way that we can ignore that conduct. Perhaps it’s lawful, but awful. But increasingly, as more facts come to light, it looks like it’s simply unlawful.

She is referencing “more facts” with respect to stuff discovered by the Congressional Committee and testimony from the then Acting-A.G.

“It says that they’re doing the right thing and the fact that we don’t know more, while it’s frustrating, means that this process is proceeding precisely as it should, cloaked in the secrecy of the grand jury. Their job now is to get all of the evidence, not just the evidence that favors bringing charges but evidence that would tend to be in the favor of the former president so that they can evaluate all of that evidence and make a decision based solely on the facts and the law as to whether he should be charged.

That’s precisely the issue that they’re likely focused on in this grand jury proceeding,” Vance replied. “Other people made calls to Georgia officials. There was other conduct surrounding the big lie. It’s possible that there could be conspiracies or that people could be accomplices in this regard and, if you take this conduct seriously as a prosecutor — and you should — your obligation is to evaluate everyone who was involved to determine who is criminally culpable and who should be charged.

Yes, yes, yes. This site has been on a mission of late, working with others from other sites and the Meidas brothers, to remind people, lest it goes down the memory hole, that Lindsey Graham is far more stone-cold guilty than Donald Trump if either is criminally liable. Lindsey cold-called, he had nothing to do with nothing in Georgia and basically asked them to toss votes.

So, did Lindsey make that call on his own, or did Trump tell Lindsey to make that call? If Trump told Lindsey to make the call, then they become co-conspirators to Lindsey’s call, at the very least.

There is evidence out there and it is a damned shame that there is no one in DC looking at all this… at least no we’re aware of.

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