In a wide-ranging interview, Hillary Clinton remarked that Russian President Vladimir Putin was sometimes “helpful” in their private interactions, but as soon as the press was involved, he’d put on a show and “manspread for effect,” The Independent reports.

Clinton’s comments were part of an exclusive interview with the Financial Times, and she remarked on a variety of subjects ranging from the expansion of NATO, Donald Trump’s possible bid for reelection in 2024, and Putin’s aforementioned “manspreading” incident whereupon the Russian president spread his legs while meeting with Clinton, then the U.S. Secretary of State during a 2010 visit to Russia.

At one point she was asked if she found Putin to be as sexist during their private conversations as he was during their public ones.

And as you might expect, she said, yes. He was.

“Yes, he was very sexist towards me. We had some interesting, even helpful interactions in private, and then the press would be invited in and he would say something insulting about America,” she told The Times, and then cited the famous photo-op. “He would then manspread for effect.”

Putin has in the past responded to criticisms from Clinton while she was the Democratic front-runner for the presidency in 2016 by saying “it’s better not to argue with women.”

This back-and-forth between Clinton and the Russian President has been going on for some years and Clinton has been fairly candid over the years about her difficult relationship with Putin.

As she was promoting her memoir What Happened, in 2017, she discussed her belief that “[Putin] doesn’t like democracy,” saying she thought he wanted to “destabilize our country” during an interview on CBS’s The Late Show With Stephen Colbert, then listed a few of her own gripes regarding the foreign leader.

“There’s an expression, we certainly know it in New York, called manspreading,” she told Colbert. “Every time I met with him…it would be [legs sprawled out]. The whole deal.”

She offered up an anecdote to define his “sexism” toward her. As she visited Moscow, the then-secretary of state was hoping to find some common ground with Putin and she complimented his conservation efforts involving Siberian tigers and polar bears in the country’s coldest regions.

“He said ‘Come with me,’ he takes me down the stairs, down the corridor, into the door…into this inner sanctum with this huge desk and the biggest map of Russia I think exists,” she told Colbert. “He started telling me he’s going here to tag polar bears.” Putin capped that off by asking “would your husband like to come?”

“I said, ‘Well you know, I’ll ask him, but if he’s busy, I’ll go.”

Here’s the clip of Clinton talking to Colbert below.