In an interview with Time‘s national political correspondent Molly Ball that was just published, you can see the triangulation of Ron DeSantis at work.

It’s no secret that the Florida governor and Donald Trump’s chief opponent in the GOP primary isn’t a fan of LGBTQ causes or activists. He’s made his name running against “woke” policies and even a “Don’t Say Gay” law for Florida schools. But this time he went further. Or rather, didn’t go further.

When Ball asked him how he might respond or react if one of his own children came out as LGBTQ, he completely clammed up. From the Time article:

“And when I ask how he’ll respond if one of his children turns out to be gay or trans, his eyes flash momentarily, and he swiftly shuts down the question. ‘Well, my children are my children,’ DeSantis says. ‘We’ll leave that—we’ll leave that between my wife and I.'”

Um, governor? Maybe just immediately respond that you would continue to love them as much as you did the day before. Because otherwise, you’re going to have us thinking that you’re comfortable with possibly increasing the suicide rate among kids who don’t get support from their parents as they tackle their sexuality or gender identity.

Don’t make us think you’d be okay with your kid committing suicide.

According to Ball’s article, she was surprised that he took the interview at all. For many years, DeSantis has refused to give any legitimacy to news outlets that weren’t overtly right-wing.

But as his campaign numbers have sagged, his standards have as well. With everything going on, all eyes have nationally been on Donald Trump. There’s good and bad to that for both men. But DeSantis has, as far as the campaign is concerned, the harder job. He HAS to find a way to make waves that will crest higher than 4 indictments in a so-called “witch hunt.”

And some of his biggest sources of campaign funds have begun to shy away from him, turned off by his “even more right-wing than Trump” campaign style.

Still, you’d think any parent who loves their child should be able to answer unequivocally that they would love their kid no matter what. DeSantis just gave up that he might not.