It is no secret that Donald Trump and Mike Pence’s relationship has deteriorated since Trump’s followers shouted for Pence’s hanging at the January 6th Capitol siege. Since then, there has been no improvement between the two, and Trump has actively refused to condemn his followers for their vi0lent chant. During his interview with Mike Lindell which became available on Tuesday, Trump had even more to say about his former Vice President.

In his interview with the MyPillow CEO, Trump put the blame on Mike Pence for certifying the election on January 6th. According to Trump and his followers, it would have been Pence’s responsibility to stop the election from being certified by refusing to do his duty. The fact that there was no evidence to support election fraud claims clearly does not matter, and in fact Trump was happy to give false evidence to make up for the lack of true proof.

Trump made many of these false claims in the interview, such as, “When you have more votes than there are voters, when you have others things that are so wrong, and that was then! Since then many other things have happened.” He preceded this by saying that, “It was very sad when Mike Pence gave those votes over.”

Trump’s claim about the inconsistency of votes to the number of voters really begs the question of where he is getting this information. He apparently thinks it is common knowledge, and believes that it is something Mike Pence should have known as well. Maybe it would be more accurate to say that it is something he believes Pence should have followed him on, whether it was true or not.